From: "Jason H Gates" <jgates@jas.net>
To: <kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com>
Subject: You get what you deserve
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:16:43 -0500
I hope you idiots are NOT using my taxpaying money
while sitting in jail writing this crap. You are all a bunch of lying,
crying babies and if you didn't "do the crime" you would not
have a problem...it's NEVER your fault. It sure is funny how the 'rest'
of us seem to stay out of trouble. I support and will continue to support
the harsh treatment of criminals to the full extent of the law, and if
I had my way, you would all be chained together picking garbage off the
roads to benefit America. I linked to this sight by mistake, thinking it
would be somthing worthwhile, excuse me, MY mistake!
Miranda L. Gates
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From: "Doug
Pergram" <dpergram@erinet.com>
To: <kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:43:46 -0700
always somone else to blame for your problems. forget
the fact that you were and probably still are a complete ass.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 15:37:00 UT
From: "JOEY ROBINSON-RIDINGS"
<JRRidings@classic.msn.com>
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Use of Force?
Well-I have one thing to say---DumbAss!!!! I don't
care what you think you are allowed to do when a police officer attempts
to place you into a restraint hold or cuff you-----don't resist!!!!!!!
We can, under statute of law, beat your ass until you stop resisting. You
are not even allowed to resist arrest if we are arresting you by mistake!!!!
What your budy did is a felony! You were present at the time of a felony,
in the same damn car!!! Do you think that they are just going to smile
and forget the whole thing(especially then---prior to Rodney King). If
the officer pulled his weapon, he was probably attempting to determine
whether your "Budy" was going to attempt to run him over. You
said that he had to get up off of the ground-----sounds like reckless endangerment/felony
assault, or vehicular assault.
Now what happened, if it did happen that way, afterward
is not justified. no excuses and no way out of the criminal charges. Handcuffed
and in custody does not sound like a case that I would have just IA handle----that
falls under the FBI Civil Rights Violations Investigators to handle.
Maybe I can make you feel a little better about the
incident by telling you this: since the Rodney King Incident, Police Officers
are much more scrutinized than ever before. All use of force, in major
depts., is required to be documented on additional forms that are sent
to IA automatically from the records section. Agencies have been forced
to realize that the "Good old days" are over!!! They are 100%
responsible for their officers if they have a history of abusive behavior
of arrestees. If you were to go on a tour of the same booking area today-you
would probably find video cameras covering just about every square inch
of the booking area. I won't try to tell you that this type of thing does
not happen-but I can tell you that it doesn't happen nearly as much as
it used to because it is no longer tolerated. I'm not going to give my
house to some scumbag because I lost control.
my response:
I didn't even have to read the whole message...
it's attitudes like yours that give cops a bad name.
Thank you,
KC
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:02:02 -0600
From: Bill Graham <cjnut@info2000.net>
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: responce to your story
Hi you doing, well I hope, first let me start by telling
you a little about myself, I am currently a Deputy/Correctional Officer
III with the Weld County Sheriff Office in Colorado and have been in law
enforcement for almost 8 yrs. I have worked in patrol but have spent most
of my career in correction's. The story you tell can be taken 2 ways, your
way, or his way, now let me this, I am a "booking specialist"
that is to say that I know procedure, law, policy, better than most officers
in my dept. what you tell is very typical of any person being arrested
for the first time, especially if you had some liquor in you, you seem
to have left out a very large portion of the story, how was your attitude
during this whole thing, what happened n the car ride over to the jail?,
what happened after you were in the jail by the officer who "does
this kinda thing all the time" if true is totally unacceptable and
can not be tolerated anywhere.
Just last week I was involved in a use of force where
an inmate attacked a female officer from behind, luckily I was there to
help my partner out or there's no doubt she would be dead now. Did I use
excessive force on that inmate? no, infact I consider him very lucky that
he is breathing at all, this was the first time were the use of deadly
force was justified in the jail, and without going into grave detail let's
just say that I won and he did not, my partner is alive and that's what
really matters.
My point might be, that what you remember is from your
perspective, what may have happened may have been fully justified in the
law, before you go off telling everybody how ruffed up you were, why don't
you wait till the court transcripts are available then post all of it for
everybody to see. If what you say is true, you would have gone to the doctor
when you got out of jail and had a full medical report done, bruises to
the neck area are much better for photography purposes a day or two after
the incident, everything shows up much better later, bruises are darker,
swelling is more with time. If in fact this officer is a real piece of
shit, remember that he is the minority, the fact is cop's rarely get the
positive credit they deserve, but let one officer do something wrong and
and watch everybody jump on the band wagon for the complete dismantling
of law enforcement as we know it..
My response to your story might be too wordy but let
me say this, the guy in my story is looking at 1st degree att. murder,
and 2 counts of 2nd degree assault of a peace officer while incarcerated,
he will be lucky to get 48 years in prison, you are looking at resisting
arrest, you might be looking at 48 hours community service, and 6 months
probation. If what you say is true you should have no trouble putting this
piece of shit where he belongs, in the unemployment line. unfortunately
cops are held to a higher standard when it comes to the law and also when
it comes to punishment, it has been ruled as cruel and unusual punishment
to send a cop to jail for the something that if you did would surely put
you behind bars. If you have any questions please reply to cjnut@info2000.net
Take care....
Bill Graham
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From: Dittoz22@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:30:38 -0400 (EDT)
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: stupid!
If you are ever involved in a drinking and driving
incident and fail to yield to a police officer, you deserve everything
you get.
When you were on the river, did you wear a life jacket?
Probably not. When did it occur to you that you were in a car with someone
you knew nothing about? Who in their right mind gets in a car with a stranger
that has been drinking?! It sounds like you did EVERYTHING wrong that day
pal!
If the situation truly occurred as you claim it did,
why didn't you pursue it thru an attorney rather than filing protests on
your own? Why have you aspparently given up? Why haven't you given out
any names since you apparently have researched things so well? There is
a copy of the arrest report available thru public information and the officer's
name would be on that. AS I say, you did everything wrong.
Research on my part is not necessary. I live in the
Sacramento area and am well aware of what law enforcement must deal with
on a regular basis. They have enough problems dealing with local low life
scum, that they don't need an out-of-towner coming in and acting like a
jack-ass and then whining over the internet instead of bringing charges
publicly.
Do us all a favor and act like a citizen instead of
an idiot!
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no comment... you said it all.
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From: XBZS24A@prodigy.com (MR TIMOTHY S HUNT)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:47:03, -0500
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Police Brutality
KC, In October of 1995, my husband was brutally assaulted
by more than 20 Minneapolis police officers, I know first hand what goes
on. They handcuffed him, placed him,( unharmed), face down on the sidwalk,
and then commenced in beating him. Those that did not take part watched,
or did crowd control. All because he had gone in the wrong door. Until
the day comes that people remove their heads from their rears and realize
that this is not a racial, religious,sex-orientated, or "cause' crime,
nothing will change. My husband is a 265 Lb. white male. This can happen
to you, me , or your Grandma. The officers acroos the country that induldge
in this behavior have no reasons for what they do. They simply do it because
they can. The day that these cops are treated exactly the same as any other
criminals, may be the day that some of them wake up and realize that this
behavior is not acceptable. I defy someone to give me an example another
profession where your co-workers, bosses, and local Government will cover,
excuse, and justify such blatant abuse of the public! I could go on forever,
this incident has destroyed our lives. Keep up the cause, I know I will.
God Bless,
Pam
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:18:00 -0600
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
From: dale allen <daleal@pop.cyberhighway.net>
Subject: Police Brutality
Sir,
I live in a little city called Boise, Idaho. In case
you have not heard of us, we are now the NUMBER 1 city in the United States
for POLICE SHOOTINGS!!!
I recently heard a story from a friend of mine who
was picked up on an (old) outstanding warrant.
This friend tells me that as he was riding in the back
seat of the patrol car he was continually harrangued by the officers, while
this was going on, he placed his head on his knees, the driver told him
to look up at him, and when he did not comply quickly enough, the officer
slammed his brakes on, resulting in my friend's head being slammed against
the "cage" and causing a gash to be opened in his head. When
he said something to the officer about this treatment, he was told "HEY,
HAVEN'T YOU HEARD, WE KILL CIVILIANS NOW!!!!! In the three weeks since
this incident there has been a police officer, and two brothers gunned
down in another police incident in Boise. It is interesting to note that
the police in this town answer to only one individual, yep, you guessed
it, "HIS HONOR" THE MAYOR!!!!!! I believe that it is way past
time for the laws regarding police who practice corrpution, and that they
(police) should be faced with disciplinary actions for so much as touching
ANY of the weapons on their belts without a VERY GOOD REASON!!!!! ENOUGH
IS TOO MUCH.
Eric Allen
PS: I now own a scanning radio, and a COLT .45 semi-auto,
(CCW PERMIT TOO). These cops are not going to be trusted by me. Might be
a good idea for us civilians to start doing "welfare checks"
on our fellow citizens who have the misfortune to be pulled over by Boise's
trigger happy cops. The cops do it for each other. ... Dale "Eric"
Allen KB7TNR
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23 Sep 1997 12:01:03 -0400
From: CLAYTON SEARLE <ples@pinehurst.net>
Reply-To: ples@pinehurst.net
Organization: ples
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: WEB PAGE
Editor,
I was surfing the net when I came upon your page. Some
advise to you from an older experienced adult. Find something more beneficial
to do with your time. Take some classes, learn to paint, become a teacher
or see the world. You can waste a great deal of your life getting angry
over antidotal stories which usually are not totally objective. Police
officers in their twenties when placed in stress situations are going to
utilize force. This has happened since Roman times and will happen after
your'e gone. Societies all use force in controlling their "criminal"
elements and culutures they perceive to threaten order (ie gangs). We are
no different. Like every goverment in the world some indivduals will abuse
their authority. There is no conspiracy or racial motives this is just
how life is. So my advise is take care of your family and yourself and
look for something positive to do.
Clay Searle
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At 10:46 PM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
KC, KC, KC,
You act as though you have done nothing wrong. Police
don't beat others without provication. Give all the facts of your "incident".
You probably deserved what happened to you, simply by just running your
mouth. Do yourself a favor, when you get drunk and act like an asshole,
stay home and away from the public that the police have to protect. Remember,
when you need the police for a legitimate reason, they will be there, without
hesitation and unbiased.
Sincerely,
A Friend
my response:
KC wrote:
wake up and smell the coffee dude...
get real... I guess you live where there's no form of media.
What the HELL are you talking about. your response will definitely make
it to my site.
Thanks for your stupidity.
Best regards,
KC
I know what your going through. When I was 19 in 1987
I was arrested and and beat pretty bad by a "rogue cop". But
the situation was partly my fault. Over the years, I learned that, for
the most part, the police are decent people who care about the people they
protect. I don't judge the uniform, I judge the individual cop. I have
many a time when I needed the police and they were pleasant to deal with.
My point is, don't let your one incident tarnish the whole police world.
The asshole cops will weed themselves out, ( NYPD being a perfect example
). Take care KC, by the way, what is your career now?
Sincerely,
A Friend
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 07:35:51 PDT
From: 15-Sep-1997 1035 <randolph@asic.ENET.dec.com>
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Some more stories you might be interested in...
Brutality: How are we doing since Rodney King? Tom Randolph Sep 1997
This
is the result of a few weeks of poking around on the WWW. I found that
looking into one case would reveal another, and that one another, and so
on. It went rather farther than I expected. There's even a few cases that
I don't list here due to incomplete names, dates, or locations, that are
nevertheless valid brutality incidents.
Many other cases occured before the Rodney King incident.
The answer to the question posed above, it seems to me, is: Not very
well.
This little project was inspired by a brutality incident in my city
in February, 1997, which you can read about below. At that time, I had
no idea what to do or who to contact.
If you need to get in touch with someone about police brutality,
contact:
National Coalition on Police Accountability
59 East Van Buren, #2418 Chicago, Illinois 60605
Phone: (312) 663-5392 FAX: (312) 663-5396
Contact: Mary D. Powers, National Coordinator
Temporary WWW: http://web.syr.edu/~nkrhodes/N-COPA.html
Temporary email: nkrhodes@mailbox.syr.edu
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To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com,
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:39:53 -0700
Subject: Police Brutality
From: flatfoot3@juno.com (mac c
mccauley)
Dear KC,
I read your letter in the web site regarding police
brutality. I have a few responses.
First, I work for a medium size mid California police
agency located within 100 miles of Sacramento. Yes, I am what appears to
be a dreaded police officer. I have never committed any act of police brutality
in the ten years I have been a police man. Now to your letter. I read your
story with incredulous disbelief. In the ten years I have been a police
man I have never seen this type of act. The "brutality" you describe
seems unlikely. Let's take a look at your story. You start with the fact
that you had been at the river drinking. Not in and of itself a heinous
act, you hitched a ride home after drinking.
I commend your responsible decision not to drive drunk or after you had
been drinking. Unfortunately your problems started after that. Once in
the alley I cannot see where you did anything wrong. When you returned
to the car and got in you still had done noting wrong. JAmes, however,
set the whole ball into motion by placing his hand onto the gearshift instead
of going to his pocket for his ID (cop lingo for identification). I can
only gather from what you say that James and the cop scuffle and James
is off to the races after the cop hits the ground. Frankly, your lucky
he obeyed department policy and didn't fire at a moving car that was not
an immediate threat to him or others. Bullets easily go through trunks,
seats, etc....and hit people in cars. He showed great restraint. I'll continue......
James did not stop and let you out of the car. Please remember this because
I will mention it again. James continued until you guys were stopped by
a train. Bummer for James and you. But us cops rely on natural or man made
things, or even acts of God, to help us with our job. Hey KC, do you
have a driver's license? Do you remember the one statement/question by
your driving instructor that says if your ever stopped by a cop do what
he says and by all means stay in the car? I believe I heard that on when
I was sixteen years old. While it is not our intent to deprive you of your
liberty, we have some real concern for our safety on what we term high
risk traffic stops. And lets face it, James screwed you by splitting from
the scene. What was the cop in the alley thinking? Lets look a that.....
As a cop I roll up behind an occupied car in an alley. Hhmm, I see a guy
in a car in an alley, no one else around and I ask myself, "Self,
what is he doing here?". The thing that instantly comes to mind is
that he could be a burglar driving the getaway car while the accomplice
is doing the crime. I know what your thinking; I'm not committing any crime.
But the cop doesn't know that and he and I will both be damned if we are
going to believe you until we check it out. All James (remember I said
to remember him?) had to do was sit there until the cop checked out his
story and you two would probably have been cut loose. Unless either he
or you had warrants for your arrest or were drunk (Which James may possible
have been. By the way, what was he charged with?. You never said). But
James screwed both of you. After you got out of the car after being stopped
and were told to get back in, you said you slipped an "armlock".
I believe the term your looking for is "rear wrist lock". This
describes something similar to what you said. Either way, you have a duty
to submit to a lawful arrest. I know you don't consider this one to be
lawful, but until you are able to speak to the police man who is arresting
you, you really don't have a clue what's going on. Any cop I know will
speak to an arrestee after the excitement is over (remember, James started
it all). I have arrested people who submitted to me, and after confirming
their story with others, I have released them per 849(b)(2)of the California
Penal code. Makesfor good reading. As what you claim occurred after you
got to the jail, I have my doubts.From your statements, you sounded very
mouthy. Could the alcohol in your system have taken over? I not trying
to insult you or cast judgement on your character that night, but could
you have been wrong, AT ALL, in what occurred here? What do you think would
have happened if you had gone along with the program (Sorry, another cop
euphemism). Nothing would have occurred to you. You would have been released
(Think......... if you hadn't "resisted" and slipped the arm
lock, you probably would not have been arrested) with out any problems.
Some blame for what has occurred here has to belong to you. Since the cop
who supposedly did this was not allowed to or did not make a comment to
your allegations, I will not even try to guess what he or she was thinking.
My last comment is that if your uncle is really a judge, believe me when
I say he has more access to the police files that you or I. If he didn;t
step in on your behalf, I have to wonder why. Why did you plead guilty
if you truly believe you did nothing wrong? Please write back to me. I
am honestly interesteed in what you have to say to my response.
my response:
All I have to say is that if you read the story, you
would know that I said I had 5 guns pointed at me, did nothing wrong but
be in the wrong place at the wrong time... I was very shocked as well as
cooperative. I was shocked when they slammed me up against the car out
of the blue... from handling me lightly on the way to the car and then
SLAM!
re read the story.
KC
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From: anonymous@sanfranciscobay.com
(anonymous)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:42:59 -0400
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Police Brutality
DO NOT INCLUDE MY EMAIL OR NAME, I DO NOT WANT TO BE
BOTHERED BY ANYBODY. THANK YOU
I don't know what happened in your case, and it's really
unimportant. (as far as what YOU did). Our country has become a very sick
country. There is no justification whatsoever for any policeman, under
any circumstance to mistreat any person. All an officer is supposed to
do is apprehend someone for an alleged crime. Period. End of story. Once
that officer abuses a person, even through verbal intimidation, he is a
criminal. A person arrested is supposedly innocent, until found guilty,
and it is the job of the courts to determine punishment, not cops. 50 years
ago, a war was fought to eliminate this type of behavior. People forget
this. Any person who cannot understand what is going on in our country,
currently, re: law enforcement is a fool. The only rogue cops, nowadays,
are the good ones. It is unfortunate that these websites, devoted to this
problem cannot be combined into one large one, because the fractionalization
doesn't allow a clear picture to be seen. I wish someone would start a
website that would encourage people from all over the country to send in
ACTUAL news articles of police misconduct & criminal behavior so that
everyone can see how large and serious this problem is.
Good Luck.
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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:32:46 +0100
From: Dave Meyer <david.meyer@wellsfargo.com>
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Disgusting police abuse
I applaude your courage for posting your story; I think
incidents of this type happen far more often than is publicized in the
mass media.
Best of luck!
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From: LAPDTV@aol.com Date:
Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com Subject:
Re: your stories
Thank you for support. We welcome any comments, questions,
or suggestions that you may have. If our cameras were there at the arrest
we would have reported on it. Unfortunately we were not. Please visit our
page on the MGM website at http://MGMUA.com where, in the near future,
we will have merchandise and video tape sales information.
Thank You LAPD: Life On The Beat
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997
From: mromero@hempseed.com (Matias
Romero)
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com Subject: Brutallity story
This may come out kind of long, so if you're going
to post it, feel free to edit out anything you need to. Growing up, I was
a picture perfect, D.A.R.E. fanatic, cop lovin' little guy. However, as
I got older, I started hearing more and more stories like yours. Then,
I got to see a few first hand. Now, I've pretty well decided that just
about any situation will be resolved better if you can just keep the cops
out of it. I live down in Carlsbad, NM. We don't have much trouble with
brutallity here. Mostly what we get is the cops who joined the force so
that they could push people around and go around stalking high school kids
to push around. I'm a little older than that now, but if you go to the
high school hang-outs, you see the same pigs there every time. The rest
of the cops here aren't much better. They're the ones who would rather
cruise the drag and pass out traffic tickets instead of trying to slow
down the ridiculus flow of drugs through here. I still believe that there
are a lot of good cops out there, but it only takes a few power-loving
bullies to spoil the batch. If you say the wrong thing to the wrong one
('What do you call that back there? Police brutality?'), you just bought
yourself a one-way ticket to a world of shit. It doesn't matter what your
reasons were for breaking that arm-lock, once you got away, they had an
excuse for treating you however they felt like and knew that they could
probably get away with it. "Just some drunk in an alley who tried
to run and fought us when we tried to cuff 'im." I have no doubt that
when you were handed to the "toilet cop", the cops that handed
you over had no doubt as to what was going to happen. I'm sure the other
cops in the department know what goes on, too. They just know that if one
cop goes down for excessive force, the whole department looks bad. I hope
you manage to get something done out there. I used to live not too far
away and know what things are like in some areas around the Bay. You're
more optomistic than I am, but I wish you all the luck in the world. Keep
it up.
-Matias Romero
P.S. I read your responses and notices all of the flames
you've been getting. They're just picking on you because you've spent so
much time on this. They probably pulled wings off flies when they were
little, too. Blow 'em off, man.
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From: COCopper@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 23:29:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: "Your story"
KC it sounds to me like you have a problem with the way everyone handled
this particular situation, except yourself. First of all, no one can MAKE
you plead no contest or anything else for that matter. You are a mature,
adult human being, I assume. Is there any reason why you didn't hire your
own attorney? You can't make a rational decision on your own? The public
defender forced you to plead no contest?
You are the only one who does not take any blame in your story. I am a
police officer also. I am not ignorant enough to say that there is NO police
brutuality. Sure there is. But I seriously doubt if half a dozen or more
officers and deputies ganged up on you and all were able to stick with
the
same story for what, 9 years now!
Also, the fact that you were able to slip out of an armlock or some other
restraint is no big surprise. I am 6'2" 228lbs and I can tell you
that when
you are trying to subdue someone, regardless of their size, without hurting
them, it is very difficult to get a grip on them.
In summary, I do not think that this was a big conspiracy against you from
the beginning as you seem to think. I think that you need to accept some
blame for the situation also and lastly, I think you need to move on with
your life.
PS: It is obvious that you are trying to get some money out of the whole
deal, based on your line about 'nightmares and physical pain'. Give me
a
break. Get a life.
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my story is true, and it's much too late for me to collect any cash, officer.
If you read my story you would have realized this (being a cop and all:)
I know what happened and so do the police and all other
employees that worked
there that day. I made it known to everyone in that place that day. As
long as the
story is here ... the truth is out there.
I never said the that I resisted arrest until I was
(out of the blue) slammed against
the car. This upset me only enough to ask the cop at the station if he
would call what
he did (blind-slamming me) back there police brutality. This is what I
did to deserve my beating and strangulation.
Thanks for your comments
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From: GHalleck@inreach.com
After expressing an opinion that was different than kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
(in a post), I received the following email from him:
>"have you ever been drunk? if you have been, and while
in public, then you deserve a beating from the >police as well.
it's ignorant people like you who keep the lies/beatings and corruption
alive and well in the >police departments"
Wow. Maybe the webmaster should check his pulse. First
he rants (as anyone in this NG knows) about human rights then states that
I should be beaten for disagreeing with him. I though the cops were
the thugs...
As we've all endured the incessant plugs for the webmaster's pet
project "http://www.ultranet.com/~ir396/journal/",
we all know that he claims that we'll see cops breaking the law there.
Well, I did manage to get half of the first episode to download but didn't
see any violation of law there. Perhaps the webmaster (KC) can enlighten
us by listing a statute or case that helps explain this. Since we
don't know why the cop is asking for ID (context of request), we are in
the dark here.
Anyone interested in the above site will also find links to hints
regarding how one can drive while intoxicated and get away with it (at
least until someone is killed) and the time honored methods of speeding
and then scamming out of paying the ticket.
Come on KC, you're in your thirties now and you did get your watch
back....time to grow up little guy.
Best regards and good luck in ba.personals!! :) - GHalleck
P.S. You can reply to the group and spare me the email....
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my response:
All I can say to this comment is that the person put a lot of time
into responding to it. Thank you, this is exactly the reason I post to
these newsgroups...
I just love to see people get so upset from a simple posting.
One thing that does kinda bother me is that you didn't post the entire
email I sent him,
just the part he wants to use to try to ridicule me.
I love the criticism... send me all kinds! Then your harsh words
will be posted at my site for all to see... forever.
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 19:34:29 -0500
From: FUCK YOU <Madkids@Juno.com>
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com Subject:
Dear KC,
Gee, alot of people think you're stupid for getting
your ass kicked. What's the matter with these people? Especially that fucking
nazi. What the hell is that all about? Anyways I thought I'd give you a
story or two from my web site:
IS AMERICA BECOMING A POLICE STATE? IN SOME PLACES,
AT CERTAIN TIMES, IT ALREADY IS.
On a sunney afternoon last October, two cops in St.
Petersburg, Florida pulled over a car for speeding. The driver, 18 year-old
Tyron Lewis was unarmed. Within one minute he was shot dead, still seated
in the car.
Police Claimed he tried to run one of them down, but
over 40 witnesses disagreed. "There was five shots- FIVE!" eyewitness
Lisa Craft said.
"The boy wasn't going fast enough to run them
over. He wasn't even going two miles an hour," Boriah Watson said.
"It's sad man. They killed this man for nothing. The man died with
his hands up."
The police department "punished" officer
Jim Knight for the shooting -60 days off WITH PAY.
Last year police in suburban Pittsburgh pulled over
31-year-old Johnny Gammage for repeatedly tapping his brakes. Gammage,
a cousin and business partner of Pittsburgh Steelers end Ray Seals, got
out of his car carrying a celluler phone. The cops claimed they thought
it was a gun. They grabbed him, threw him down and in the ensuing struggle,
Mr. Gammage was strangled to death.
---------------all taken from the latest ARA copwatch
issue
Its pretty sad that cops feel that "serving"
the people means beating them up and murdering them. As for the people
who think you are at fault, FUCK YOU! You could be next! It doesn't make
me very proud to be American with these fucking cops waddling around fucking-up
innocent people.
my page: http://geocities.com/CapitolHill/7636
Don't worry KC, not everyone is ignorant and subordanent!
-----end transmission, peace and anarchy,
Ryan Africa
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From: KRoll41271@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:17:27 -0400 (EDT)
To: KC-pb@dahman.com
Subject: Police Brutality?
Sounds to me like you got drunk and made some pretty stupid decisions.
Do
you really expect people to believe that you were just an innocent victim?
Grow up and take responsibility for your actions.
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thank you for your comments.
I'll grow up one of these days... I know, this kinda
stuff just dosen't happen in the USA.
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From: Rancherdan@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
To: KC@dahman.com
Subject: your story
Just reading your version of the story, it sounds like you went out, got
drunk, you and your friend James got stupid, didn't follow the officers
directions, fled in a car and were arrested. Your own version of the story
is that you "resisted" the officer and got out of the control
hold.
By your own admissions in this story, you are probably lucky that your
PD
convinced you to plead no contest. A jury trial would have very likely
resulted in your conviction and sentence to the jail for a year.
You must not be trying very hard to get a copy of the report. They are
available to the public through the police department for a very small
fee.
Maybe you need to quit whining and take responsibility for your own actions
and grow up. Had you not resisted, fled and acted so damn stupid (by your
own account), none of this would have happened to you!
I would love to read the police version. I'm sure it accurately describes
your conduct. I'm also sure the video tapes from the jail will support
the
police version. If not, I guarantee that IA would have already taken the
appropriate action against the officer(s).
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the IA wasn't too helpful in this case. They singled
me out. I sware I'm telling the truth! The IA is after me and me alone...they
never make mistakes...just this once!!! ReaLLy!
I just don't know how to respond to ignorance emails
I guess.
BTW - How's my typing?
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From: Magicd1430@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 04:31:36 -0400 (EDT)
To: KC@dahman.com
Subject: .
What a crock. Get a life jerk. Also, get someone to tell your story. Your
typing shows your stupidity level.
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Apearantley: this purson dosent think my typin is to
good, tale me it aint trew!
One Life ... Coming UP!!
KC
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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 16:51:56 -0600
From: Terry Petty <la1@ebicom.net>
To: KC@dahman.com
Subject: boo hoo
Boo Hoo,Boo Hoo,Boo Hoo!!!! You do not realize what officers deal with
every day. We get spit on,cussed, our lives threatened along with our
our families, and we are supposed to sit there and take it. In the first
place when the officer told you to get your hands out of your pocket
that was for his safety and yours. He didn't know you from adam. An
officer never knows what a suspect might do. Also, when your so called
friend took off when the officer tried to question him he asked for what
followed. As far as what happened in jail, I have one question. What
kind of obnoxious behavior were you putting forth? You probably are
telling a one sided story as always is the case. I would love to hear
the officers side. Of course no one will ever hear that version.
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:25:07 -0700
From: connor <caprivi@premier1.net>
Subject: Good going.
I filed a Title 42 U.S.C. 1983 against Northern Arizona University and
8
police officers. The actual Complaint filed with United States District
Court is at http://www.premier1.net/~caprivi/complaint.html
I hope you have
taken legal action yourself.
Best regards,
Keith Stephens
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From: "Van Miles"
<van.miles@norwich.net>
To: <KC@dahman.com>
Subject: police
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:35:16 -0500
KC,
In my ten years of police experience I have never seen an officer
use force on any person who was doing what they were told and not resisting
arrest.
It seems to me you should have done what you were told, kept your
mouth shut and showed some respect. I'm sure you brought most of your problems
on yourself. were you ever treated for any injuries. Keep in mind the police
are authorized by law to use that force which is necessary and reasonable
to effect an arrest and maintain control of the suspect. I guess you should
not have been such a jerk and been more respectfull.
no name
And
Again
From: "Van Miles"
To: Subject: police
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:39:17 -0500
KC,
The police are authorized by law to use that force which is reasonable
and necessary to effect a lawfull arrest and maintain control of the suspect.
In my ten years experience I have never seen an office ever use physical
force when the supect was doing what he was told and not resisting or causing
a scene. I'm sure you brought these problems on yourself. You admit you
were acting like a jerk and that you resisted arrest. to bad, you were
wrong.
no name
What's my reply?
If you read my story you would know that the worst thing I said to
the cop was, "what do you call that back there...police brutality?"
If you think this is reason enough to clobber me then maybe you have
the same mentality as the cop who beat me and the others that watched and
practically admired the ones that were doing it. I have at least 6 cops
aiming their guns at me, know that I did nothing wrong so I just
start acting like a jerk...yeah right.
KC
______________________________________
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 03:33:05 -0800
From: WarrenWakerlin <wakerl19@email6.starnetinc.com>
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: brutality
X-URL: http://www.dahman.com/police.htm
Dear KC, My name is Dean and I have never been one to side with
the Police. I have never been on the recieving end of a beating although
the Police have done some less then just things to me. It's a shame that
a lot of the time the intention is lost of serving and protecting. I feel
that it is really great that you have stuck your neck out like this. I
also think that it sucks that people are so quick to assume you a liar.
Stay strong man and don't go down fast.
___________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:21:07 -0800
From: Steve McDermott
Reply-To: stevmcde@ix.netcom.com
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Watcha bitchin bout boy ?
Ponder this.. could been worse..coulda had your fingers cut off and your
vocal chord cut...then who would listen or how could you type your story.....!
you probably got what you deserved
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my reply
It's assholes like you that shit on this world...why did you look
up police brutality anyway? Is it a way to ease tension...by bitching at
victims?
Later Loser
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Victim ? you havn't established anything of the sort..you were no
>doubt a deserving recipient for a good ass kicking..
leave the word victim alone..you tarnish the memory of any real victim.
eat shit and die..then just go away...
zig heil !
stevmcde@ix.netcom.com
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Dear Nazi Wanna be,
I lived in germany for five years....if you said sieg heil there
you would get your ass kicked. But you aren't a nazi because you don't
even know how to spell the word sieg heil...probably don't even know what
it means....and if you are a cop? You are the scum of the earth by saying
these words to me/anyone.
KC
PS - this message will definately appear on my web page, wannabe
nazi.
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And now the Nazi sends me a threat. I'm not going to respond to it...
just post it:
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:16:46 -0800
From: Steve McDermott <stevmcde@ix.netcom.com>
Reply-To: stevmcde@ix.netcom.com
To: "KC V. Dahman" <kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hello Nazi!
definately ? no no no it is misspelled dickhead..You know you wouldnt
be that hard to find out in the bay area if I wanted to.. no I wont come
out but I think I'll have some of my Aryan Brothers look you up and say
howdy !!!!..Oh..by the way ..it only hurts if they forget the vaseline
lil buddy..... !as they sing the Horst wessel song while they take your
manhood from you through your ass. ! toodles ...
SS
_____________________________________________________
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:16:14 -0800
From: John todd
Reply-To: jtodd@emigre.com
Organization: Emigre, Inc.
You know, KC, Not once in my 28 years have I ever been arrested.
In my opinion, if more people got roughed up while they were in custody,
the world would be a much better place.You shouldn't have placed yourself
in that position. -J. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
J, I guess you're just another one of these imbiciles who dosen't
beleive in the
constitution of the United States? That's all I can say.
KC
______________________________________________________
From: MSpringfie@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:02:43 -0500 (EST)
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Response to your web page
Stay strong. No matter what comes at you. There are many of us all
across this country who see what is going on. Publish your story. Both
sides if you can get theirs.
If not publish it anyway. Remain a beacon for those who would speak
out through you.
TELL THE WORLD!!! REMEMBER, ROACHES RUN FROM THE LIGHT.
________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Rice" <aby@snip.net>
To: <kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com>
Subject: ASS WHIIPPIN
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 20:13:53 -0400
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
KC: Be careful man I heard the police are hunting for you and when
they find you they are gonna ass fuck you until you bleed shit.....Be careful
man...Im with ya
Previously Beaten
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KC
I admire your bravery. This police brutality especially of minorities
is not only in Sacramanto but typical of police departments in the entire
copuntry. What makes the system really corrupt however is when these officers
are not vigorously brought to justice and when the prosecutors and judges
take their sides. Minorities like me in NYC face this threat of police
brutality everyday. Most of us fear the police than how we fear criminals.
I wish you success in your struggle and while you struggle bear in mind
the plight of your fellow victims - also whisper a prayer for Mumia Abu
Jamal. peace
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Stop being such a pussy and act like a man. Stop getting arrested
and this wont happen moron
TJB152@aol.com
From: TJB152@aol.com Date: Thu,
5 Dec 1996 11:20:34 -0500 To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Police
I could give a fuck less what you put on your bullshit police brutality
page. You and your dopey pinko friends could lick my balls for all I care
Douchebag
Dear Douchebag,
If you used those words to the cops then you'd have deserved a lot more
than I got.
KC
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From: "lincoln f
stern" <lincoln.f.stern@locnet.com>
To: <kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Your alledged beating at the hands of a POLICE OFFICER
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:37:39 -0500
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
What happend prior to the alledged beating or did this police officer
just start beating you because he had a bad day??????? Rodney King was
beaten after he took four cops out, whats your story?????
______________________________________________________________________
Note: This message was sent to me *before* I posted the whole story
located at:
http://www.dahman.com/police2.htm
KC.......I am a cop in Mich. What I want to know is what happened.
How irresponsible is it for you to smear an entire police dept. Why were
you in contact with the police in the first place? Ooops, did you forget
to put that in your bitch. It's people like you that really frustrate me.
I'm sure you were a passive innocent citizen that the cops just picked
at random and beat the shit out of ..............bull shit. Have an ounce
of integrity and convey the entire story.
Leinht@aol.com
I suppose the world is perfect, and there's no way that this could happen
to someone...who does "AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL" rate as the number
ONE offender in the world who are corrupt and brutalizing police officers?
NY Police Department
KC
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 02:05:44 -0800
From: Tom and Deb Cooper <"75244,3244"@compuserve.com>
Reply-To:3244@compuserve.com">
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Brutality
I believe a years worth of a prescription of Thorazin might cure you of
this problem you seem to have. Best of luck and keep up the paranoia and
illusions.
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KC,
My name is Fred. I was arrested for simple public drunk by the Vernon
Parrish sheriffs dept. in March 1985. After they roughed me up a little
and handcuffed me and put me in the cruiser, Itold them that as soon as
they got me to the jail, I'd call my wife and she would get me out immediatly.
When we got to the jail, the two deputies got me out of the car. One was
on my left side, the other was on my right. They had me by the elbows.
Completely to my surprise, they slammed me down on the cement driveway.
This knocked out two of my teeth and severely cut my upper lip. When they
got me into the jail, they took one handcuff off and told me to sign a
piece of paper. I looked at it. It was a waiver of my rights. I told them
I didn't want to waive my rights and one of my rights was the right to
a phone call. They immediatly re-handcuffed me and started down the hall
to the drunk tank. On the way they were busy slamming me from one steel
wall to the other. They put me in the drunk tank,"still hancuffed".
I started kicking on the door demanding they allow me to make a phone call.
I heard someone coming, and a deputy came in. He maced me and tried to
punch me. He got a couple of blows in before I got my arms up. Luckily,
they had put my hands in front of me after the telephone incident. To make
a long story shorter. I was maced and beaten that night on four different
occasions. The fourth and final time four of them came in and threw me
to the floor, kicking and punching me. I was shackled to the floor. Both
arms and both legs were spreadeagled and cuffed to the steel legs of the
benches tat were in the drunk tank. Right in the small of my back was the
little hole in the floor that drunks use to urinate and deficate in. Then
one of the deputies sat on my chest. and with an open hand slapped me on
the left ear perforating my eardrum. In the morning they came and let me
out. When my wife saw me, she said"what the hell happened to you?"
I said they beat the hell out of me. She went in and demanded to talk to
the sheriff. They told her he was unavailable but she could see the captain.
She asked him what had happened to me and he told her I fell down getting
out of the cruiser. The end result was a perforated eardrum, i lost ALL
my teeth, and my face was so puffed up and purple that I was almost unrecognizable
for almost two weeks. By the way, I'm a white male I hope this letter does
some kind of good, because we have too many cops making up their own laws,
breaking the existing laws, which they are sworn to uphold and abusing
their power. Thanks for your time fmdh
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Hi KC, I know that feeling. I been there. You can visit my site
at
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1473/
I am not afraid of the Police but they can do many things to a person.
Can Put a link to my site. I have been fighting with them for 8 years.
Be careful. I do wish you well. E-mail me and let me know how you are doing.
Thank you Pete
__________________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:03:09 -0800
From: Bill Taylor <spdcau@quiknet.com>
Reply-To: spdcau@quiknet.com
Organization: Sacramento Police Department
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Bad URL
Hello KC,
This is Bill Taylor, with the Sacramento Police Department. The Sheriff's
Dept.
has moved their page, so you need to update your link to them, which is:
http://www.sheriff.co.sacramento.ca.us/
Your mother is wrong. You're not at risk from us by posting this
web page. The reason for that is precisely because this is the United States
with it's constitutional right to free speech. I would imagine that in
many other countries your life would be in danger.
See ya,
Bill Taylor
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I have read your web page and agree with you one hundred percent
and would like to know and hear more about your's and other situations
about police brutality. I saw this web page and thought you might do some
looking into. I am in a class called Police and Community Relations and
we have outside work concerning how police are treated and treat the community
and I would like to know more about your mishap and do a presentation for
my class.
Thank you!
Victor Alvarado
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From: accubest@erols.com
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Really?
Date: Sunday, February 02, 1997 4:27 PM
More then likely you were the cause of your little matter. I have
been in law enforcement for 8 years, and the only time this happens is
when the suspect is usually intoxicated and aways acts in a very uncooperative
way, thus resisting arrest.
No sympathy here!
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my reply?
Amnesty International rates NYCity as the #1 offender of police brutality
in the world and New Orleans is one of the most corrupt. I guess all of
the people they beat and corrupted deserve it as well? You're either ignorant
or just one of these cops who sweeps it under the rug. Are you saying that
drunk people and obnoxious people deserve to get beaten? I had a bunch
of cops aiming their guns at me. I'm not gonna act like a jerk in this
situation. I did nothing but be with the wrong guy. I will post this article
to show everyone just how ignorant police officers can be. Thank you for
your ridiculous comments :)
You are just another cop who dosen't beleive in the Constitution
of the United States :(
KC
I guess those homeless kids that are murdered in Brazil by the police
also deserve it?
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This is quite possibly THE MOST IGNORANT IDIOT to
respond so far! And take notice that this message is from the Association
of Oranfe County Deputy Sheriffs Association
then take a look at the following story!
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 09:28:33 -0800
From: "Assn. of Orange Co. Deputy Sheriffs" <AOCDS@pacbell.net>
Reply-To: AOCDS@pacbell.net Organization:
Assn. of Orange Co. Deputy Sheriffs
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: YOU DON'T TELL THE TRUTH
KC, you don't tell the truth. If your uncle is a Judge either
he told you why you had a difficult time with the police or he feels you
are a lost cause and wasn't willing to waste his breath responding to you.
You were in an alley near a business. James was in the car
with the engine running, no doubt. When the officer was this he had
reason to believe that a robbery or a burglary was in process. He
approached James to investigate. When James put his hand on the gearshift
instead or reaching for his ID the officer believed he going to flee (a
reasonable assumption since James drove away and only stopped when he came
to a bridge he couldn't cross. By that point in time the officers
felt they were pursuing felons, perhaps armed.
Then you say the public defender was in on the deal and risked his
job and his very freedom just to do you dirt? Get real.
James put himself and you in a very dangerous circumstance.
You made it worse by resisting when the officer was trying to cuff you
pending further investigation. If you hadn't done that and would
have cooperated with the officers investigation you would have been released
and nothing would have happened to you at all (assuming you were telling
the truth).
If you want reasonable people to believe you, KC, you need to tell
the truth. You haven't done so. So there's no reason for anyone
to believe any of the rest of your incredible story about being brutalized.
Jails nowdays, including Sacremento's, have cameras that record what goes
on. Those cameras exist to protect officers from untruthfull complaints
like your's.
If Sacramento internal affairs didn't call you back, which I don't
believe either, it's because they reviewed the film of your contact at
the jail and know you were lying. In doing so, they probably did
you a bib favor. It's a violation of law in California to file a
false complaint against a police officer. If they had accepted your
complant the officer you accused could have used that film which no doubt
proves you are a liar to sue you.
Start behaving like a responsible adult and telling the truth and
you won't have any difficulty with law enforcement officers.
Let's see if you're honorable enough to put this on your web site.
My Response?
This has got to be the most ignorant idiot who has responded so far.
If he beleives that this sort of thing dosen't happen in these United States
then he's not only calling me a liar, but all of the people who have been
posted on this site as well. He either has his head so far up hiss ass
that he can't see the light of day or the stupidest law enforcement officer
I have had the pleasure to post on my site...I thank who ever this
coward is that chose not to sign his/her name.
THANK YOU!
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Check out what this respondent has to say about the Ventura County
department:
From: "rhub" <rhub@ix.netcom.com>
To: <kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Police brutality
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:37:50 -0800
My name is Robert Hubbard. My son was raided about a year ago by
the Ventura Co. Sheriff's. About 20 of them with flak jackets and automatic
weapons busted his house up. After handcuffing him they beat him up. In
the ensuing trial it became very apparent to me they were anti-social liars.
They said "no punches were thrown" how does a suspect get two
black eyes if this were true. While it could be true no punches were thrown
how about feet? I am 63 years old and had no idea these people were like
this. I always beleived the propoganda " to protect and serve".
The government is trying to hire another 100,000 of these brutes. I am
wondering if they had unlimited funding what indicators they would use
to determine when they have enough. I feel the main reason we have so much
police brutality is; that we now have to many with so little to do they
are trying to justify their existence. Whenever I read of another incident
I have a very difficult time believing anything they say. One of their
favorite statements is "he was acting weird", especially when
they have a seemingly indefensible position. The one thing that gives me
some hope they will eventually have to accept the serve and protect motto,
is that everytime the create one of these incidents they automatically
alienate 20 other people. At this rate they should be completely exposed
in a finite period of time.
----------------------
We need more police cadets with the attitude like this one,
who has the guts to sign his name:
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
From: "Mark Pedeferri" <pedeferm@eburg.com>
Subject: brutality
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 15:44:17 PST
KC, I am an aspiring police officer, I am currently testing to
become a Highway Patrol officer is southern California. Police brutality
is a terrible thing and needs to addressed and people like you need to
speak up. However, you need to consider who you are speaking against, you
need to empisize officers not department or police in general. I
am sure you are having a tough time bringing about the necessary action
against the officer. You may not be aware that when an officer gets
a complaint, regardless of the outcome, ie dismissed or not, that officers
record gets a mark on it. So my advice to you write four or five
complaints against this officer a week as well as the other officers invovled.
Send them to the department captain and chief, this is sure to get some
responce. Make sure that the facts that you presented in this story
are true and you are not just pissed at the officer. Unfortunatley
you did make some poor choices in your incident, it does not in anyway
warrant the use of force applied to you however. Some final advice
stay away from illegal situation!
Don't Quit.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:36:52 -0800 (PST)
X-Originating-IP: [207.155.31.70]
From: " Aaron Goodell" <goodellaa@hotmail.com>
To: KC@dahman.com
Subject: Domestic terrorism.
Greetings on the 64th anniversary of the
Reichstag fire, which was used as an excuse to suspend civil liberties
in Germany. Civil liberties were restored, but only after the country
had been defeated and oc- cupied by a variety of allied armies. Doesn't
that make you wish you had voted?
As a victim of police abuses including unlawful
detention and search, no-warrant and no-cause search of dwelling, battery,
torture (as defined by the CA Penal Code), malicious defamation, etc.,
and having no- ticed the police's unfortunate practice of lying to each
other and using highly questionable criteria for investigation and acceptance
of complaints, I have come to the conclusion that for every complaint we
attempt to lodge against a sworn officer (or against any person ineligible
for investigation owing to race, wealth or connectedness), we will need
to maintain a parallel re- cord for civilian use.
Remember when Gorbachev was deposed by a
military junta? The people intervened. The rank and file of
the Russian armed forces knew he had been lawfully elected, in large
part by themselves. I have often had cause to wonder just what chain
of command our police answer to.
Don't
use gangs,
AG
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:42:06 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: kontrol@macatawa.org (Unverified)
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
From: kontrol <kontrol@macatawa.org>
Subject: oppression
hey. it really is sad when a person tries to point a finger
at an injustice they feel they suffered and other assholes decide
to abuse them more. i read your story and feel you've done
the right thing posting it. it becomes more and more obvious
daily that the pigs are exploiting the"power they feel they have.
a badge does not give you the right to beat another person.
just because they give you a stick you don't have the right to crack
it on my head. our society becomes further desensitzed to police
abuse with the "real life cop stories" on late night television.
these are not real, the are simply vain attempts to destract the common
person's attention away from what the police are really doing.
it is up to us, all of us, to look through the haze that the police,
and all government instituions have put up. it is up to us
to see the truth. stay strong in your crusade. fight back if
you feel wronged. find a local organization against the police
and all the bullshit they represent. they are not there to
protect. they are there to suppress the truth and the carriers of
that truth. it is time now to stand up and scream about what you
believe in. amerika is not the land of the free. it is the
land of the oppressed and abused. your story reaffirms that for me.
the revolution is now.
/ kontrol@macatawa.org
/ United Hackerz Ossociation
/ U.H.O \ \ Never hack the F.B.I unless your as good
as us
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From: Tina Ramsey <"t_ramsey@wpusd.k12.ca.us"@zeus.footnet.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:07:55 -0800
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Fuk the pigs
Organization: Phoenix High School
Reply-To: "t_ramsey@wpusd.k12.ca.us"@zeus.footnet.com
On Feb,22,97 on 24th and 4th Ave the pigs stoped a punk show half
way into it I was slamed to the ground had five cops on top of me all because
I was walking to slow. We don't have to take this shit stand up and fight
back.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:18:27 -0600
From: "Philip N. Boyce" <boycpn@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com>
To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Cops with attitudes
Its running rampant all across the country. Cops and judges
feel they are in a separate class when being accused (above the law or
scrutiny). The bad cops out there are usually controlled or lead
by police chiefs or city councel members trying to legislate morallity
(personal views and emotions). We can not legislate driving habits and
continue to drive a wedge between citizens and police. Cops learn
a very fundament task early in there carrear, known as testilying(as opposed
to testifying). Cops who can't tolerate citizen's wanting to exercise
their rights should quit the force, get a education and do something else
for a living. Most cops are aggressive, under educated, and over
paid traffic patrol cops realizing they can't make over $40-$75 a year
doing real work therefore they attack the dorcil and undangerous working
class. The good ones are usually educated, working real crimes as
investigators (rape, robbery, domestic violence, theft, murder, assualt
etc.). Citizens over the past ten years have historically turned a blind
eye to victimless crimes. They don't get involved or believe until
a crisis occurs with them. I believe in real and sound law enforcement
but I can never subscribe to the ideal all cops go by the book and treat
all citizens equally. The uniform they wear does not give them the
right to act as judge and jury nor does this uniform turn them into a subhuman
superior to all those they come in contact with. We need independent review
boards made up of common citizens not cops-investigating-cops!!!
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:24:55 -0700
From: jackie burr <jackie.burr@m.cues.k12.ut.us>
Reply-To: jackie.burr@m.cues.k12.ut.us
Organization: NSHS To: kelliecaruso1@yahoo.com
Subject: Police beatings
Dear KC,
My name is Derrick Branham and I am doing a report on police
Brutality for school and I would like it if you would awnser a Few Questions
for me. I am very sorry if any of these questions offend you in anyway.
If you choose to not awnser a question then feel free to not do so.
1. Why do you think the officers that beat you did it to begin
with?
2. What was the reason that you were confronted by the police in
the first place?
3. Did you provoke the police in anyway?
4. What do you Think can be done to help the problem?
5. Do you feel afriad to go to the police if you need help now?
6. What all have you done to get this problem solved?
Thanks for all of your help, if you cuold e-mail me at
jackie.burr@m.cues.k12.ut.us
Thanks again.
By the way, your page is great.
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